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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 21:44:00 -
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Can you guys please change it so one doesn't have 3 matches spread over 3 weeks and then 4 matches on the final day (if you make it to finals).
It's really really uncool only having 1-2 hours to prepare for your next match ;P I'm guessing that's why the finals match was so uninteresting - you can't really change it up or properly prepare for your next matches if you have no time to change implants / brainstorm counters etc
Props to PL for being able to do it, Hydra obviously couldn't since they used the same setup several matches in a row, i'm sure hydra would never have brought it to finals again if they'd had time to think about it.
Great job on the tourney this year tho, quite impressed with the commitment, preparation and ISK a lot of teams spent on it and the job CCP did.
:emo tyrrax out until next time:
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 21:59:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Mindstar
4 matches in 1 day is just what it takes to win. 
Do you realize how much ISK that is in 5% implants if you want to change your setup at all between matches and still take it as seriously as PL ? ;P
The current 4 matches in one day format is why the finals match was so ridiculously uninteresting this time, hydra didn't have time to change their setup to something that'd provide a decent match..
Yeah PL are amazing for being able to pull it off, good for them but it makes the tournament worse.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 22:30:00 -
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What makes you think everyone else can ? Not every group has 700 billion ISK just lying around in their executor's wallet ;P
Sure majority of alliances have enough ISK/rich potential contributors to drop 10 billion ISK on every single match, but I don't think they should have to to be on an equal footing..
But what I hate most about the mere 1-2 hours between matches is not having time to really think, evaluate, plan..
Yeah no implants would make it somewhat easier, but it'd still suck for the vast majority of teams, lots of added stress, less varied setups and worse matches as a result.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 20/06/2010 22:56:04
maybe they were too cheap to rip their 5% implants out (plus not having any time to really think about/discuss what to field)
or maybe they just didn't care since they were guaranteed 50 unique frigates anyway ;P
should've been obvious to them how poor their chances of victory were using that strat the third time in a row against a team as good as PL
anyways tldr it would've been a much more interesting match if they'd had more time
Originally by: Lucius Voltar
doesn't however mean its not an equal footing on the timing of these matches.
Actually it does mean that, no time between matches makes for an extremely uneven footing if one team is hilariously wealthy and the other is on a budget, it'd take me about 7 matches to run out of liquid ISK if i spent 10 bil on each one, it'd take Shamis 70, this effects how much each of us is willing to spend to improve chances of victory..
As for CCP's reasons for it, i understand them I'm simply asking them to change the format in some way to make finals day less of a bi tch - f.i. you could change the qualifiers to single elimination, one loss and you're out, or you could have finals weekend start on friday instead of saturday, with advance notice competitors should be able to take a single workday off ;P (or quit their jobs like verone)
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 15:48:00 -
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Of course I believe in counters, when you can guess with reasonable certainty what your opponent is bringing (f.i. when a team is stupid enough to bring the same setup 3 times in a row) you can adjust your ewar to fit their tactic, f.i. Hydra might've had a chance if they'd replaced their damps with tracking disruptors and maybe fit an ewar strength gang mod instead of ewar range..
It's a gamble since you can't ever be 100% certain of what your opponent will bring, but if you guess right you can often walk all over them.
(this is what happened in the last tournament in our matches against goonswarm and solar fleet, and would've happened in our match against PL if we'd had any clue how to counter their bomber setup)
you're right of course, in the current format you have to spend tons of ISK and do a lot of logistics beforehand if you want to have any chance on finals day, I just don't like the fact and think the format should be changed to slightly reduce the stress, pressure and ISK requirements.
The richest people in EVE having won three times in a row isn't a coincidence, ISK is too much of an advantage, if that's the way CCP want it they should stop banning pirate implants.
(yeah i know they also practised more than nearly anyone else have great FCs, skilled pvpers and generally took the tournament more seriously than anyone else f. off)
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: csebal
Lets cut to the chase.
We just dont agree.
Have a nice day.
Maybe you'd feel differently if you'd actually made it to the finals weekend this time ? You're one person btw, referring to yourself as "we" makes you sound pretentious.
Originally by: Pwnage Star
If you cant afford to destroy +5's and input new ones just to win the round you don't deserve 1 trillion.
And the wine comes from player who is old and rich and already lost unique ships 
Oh we can afford to, we just don't want to have to go to such silly measures to be competitive, let alone spend additional billions on 15% ammo for everyone.
And if wealthy oldtimers like us feel this way imagine how the teams that aren't wealthy feel about the huge advantages afforded by something that isn't intended to be a major influencing factor (hence why pirate implants and t2 rigs aren't allowed)
PS; it's spelled whine hth
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:21:00 -
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you found the finals match to be interesting ? seriously ? hydra might as well not have shown up as bring same setup third time in a row
finals aside 5 matches in two days encourages the trend of teams excessively repeating the same setups (like co2 and hydra) and makes the tournament less interesting the farther into it one goes
PS; you're an awful poster, try to be more like mr rive or raivi hth
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